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Drawing logical conclusions

Barbara Dean-Simmons
Published on October 18, 2012
Published on October 18, 2012
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Trinity Bay North , Port Union , Melrose

Logic must prevail.

At the same time, human nature being what it is, intense issues prompt intense emotions.

Sometimes, then, it's easy for those with a contrary view, to accuse the dissenters of being too emotionally attached to understand the logic.

So when Eastern School District outlined its recommendations for school closures earlier this month, it was easy to take the broad view and suggest the recommendation made sense.

Larger school, more resources, more opportunities to get involved in extracurricular activities, and so on, was the logical conclusion from those without any great attachment to the schools slated for closure.

We've been listening to the Open Line shows, and the commentators who live far from the rural reality are quick to point out, logically, that "you can't keep every school open in every nook and crannie" in this province.

They also point out, quite logically, that consolidation makes sense if it means better opportunities for children and communities.

Sometimes that's true.

Sometimes, though, it's not.

And sometimes, those who are emotionally attached to the issue can offer better perspective.

Through the past week the citizens of the Trinity Bay North area - Port Union, Catalina and Melrose - have been busy organizing protests, meetings and a letter-writing campaign.

And through the emotion that naturally comes with the idea of a local school closing, there is a fair bit of common sense.

Many of their arguments are presented in the stories we've posted on our website and in this week's edition, and in the letters published this week and in the comments section of the on-line stories.

There's a massive amount of material to read.

So allow us to simplify and offer up some of the logic that's been offered up by those who are close to the story.

Let's make this clear, first. This is not an argument solely centered on the prospect of bussing children a longer distance to another school.

In fact, that has hardly been mentioned as a point in any of their letters or comments and it's certainly not a main part of their arguments.

The main points around their logic are as follows:

° Catalina Elementary is just a little over 20 years old, whereas Matthew Elementary is 40 years old.

° Catalina Elementary students have scored well on Criterion Reference Tests (CTR), placing at the top in most of the subject areas; evidence of a quality education.

° Catalina Elementary has better amenities than Matthew Elementary - from microwaves to allow children to have hot lunches, to an outdoor soccer field and a playground.

These are simple points, but relevant to the argument to keep the school open.

Beyond the logic, there are the questions.

If the board decides to follow through on its recommendations, what will be the cost of upgrading Matthew Elementary to, among other things, install an air quality control system, provide a playground area, and offer up a cafeteria or a means for students to have warm lunches?

How will the classes be configured at Matthew Elementary if the students from Catalina Elementary are moved there?

Will there be a need to expand the parking lot at Matthew to accommodate possibly more traffic?

And what other options are possible if the board is intent on consolidation in light of declining enrollments?

Would it be possible to close down Matthew Elementary and turn Discovery Collegiate into an all-grade school to serve all students in that area?

If the aim of Eastern School District is to ensure a quality education, in a quality environment, for primary and elementary children, why not consider closing the older building (Matthew) and bussing children from the Bonavista area to Catalina?

The cost of bussing, either way, would be about the same, would it not?

The problem, right now, with the debate over school closures is that it's all one-sided.

Local communities are providing the facts, based on their own knowledge of their school and its history.

What's absent in this discussion are other, important, facts; things like a cost-benefit analysis that would shed more light on the logic behind the school board thinking; engineers' assessments of the school buildings in which the board is proposing to put more students; and details on the board's plans, if any, for reconfiguration or renovations to accommodate extra students.

We don't know if the board's recommendations are logical from a financial or logistical viewpoint because the details are missing from the recommendations.

What we do know, at this point, is that the parents of Catalina Elementary have gotten a head start on their arguments and the more they speak and write, the harder it is to find anything illogical in what they have to say.

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    Anonymous
    - October 26, 2012 at 10:43:18

    Fred Russell, you certainly said a mouthful in your comment. How dare you slander St. John's residents character because you disagree! That is surely a sighn of a weak argument and thats a fact. There is a reason you can remain anonymous while commenting on these articles. He is allowed his opinion as much as you are and you are speaking for yourself, not everyone around the bay. I've noticed several times you slandered people because they chose to remain anonymous. Maybe you should remain anonymous. It'll keep you from looking like a whiner with bad taste.

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    Fred Russell - Port Union
    - October 19, 2012 at 09:53:53

    This is exactly why super Health Care Boards and Super School Boards does not work in Newfoundland and Labrador. To St. Johns Resident - hiding behind a no name is so easy. We call it gutless around the bay ! Perhaps you are a hang-a-shore are you ? You stay inside the overpass, your mentality and idiotic thinking we don't need.

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    Tom Cooper
    - October 19, 2012 at 00:03:54

    In response to St. John's resident's comments I would ask what are the actual numbers? The School board is being mum on the numbers and the reasons for closing Catalina Elementary. They have been asked but have not responded. Why do you think that is? You understand budgetting and logic. What is logical about increasing the costs of bussing children to a school outside their own community with today's rising costs of fuel and insurance. What is logical about reducing the daily physical activity of children, when obesity rates, related illnesses(diabetes) and healthcare costs are skyrocketing? What is logical about closing a modern, well equippped and healthy school and placing children in an older building with documented air quality problems, that will require large amounts of taxpayers dollars to maintain it to acceptable, healthy and safe standards. Logic Indeed...

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    wilma norman
    - October 18, 2012 at 19:33:34

    are you suggesting that rural students are any less deserving of a quality education than urban students? there is a fundamental flaw in this funding model in my opinion which requires that rural students get to the back of the bus.

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      St. John's Resident
      - October 19, 2012 at 11:37:24

      No Wilma, I am not suggesting that at all. I will try and explain this again… What I am saying is that if there is a budget that has to be distributed across the province, and a school is being under-utilized, it is costing the province more money than it should be. This is because there ends up being less money to distribute to schools who need it (because these schools are over-crowded and the teacher-student ratio is way too high) in order to keep under-utilized schools open. So, what happens is, it ends up costing more money per student to run a smaller populated school than it does a larger populated school (factors they consider are building maintenance, heating, electricity, staff costs, upgrades, supplies, etc and they break this down on a per student cost). This is what I am trying to explain which makes it UNEQUAL for the other students who end up experiencing larger class sizes.

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    St. John's Resident
    - October 18, 2012 at 17:18:15

    The problem is, since many of these people don't understand the concept of a budget and the limitations of managing one, whether you like the logic or not, it is about the numbers. So they can make all the videos they want, and cry foul to the province wanting to ruin their town, but it doesn't help their case. If they really wanted to fight, they would hire a lawyer to get the numbers crunched for them (I am sure legal aid would cover it for them, no?? - insert sarcasm here). I am surprised that you are assuming the school board doesn't have the numbers lined up - I am sure they have. Just to give everyone an idea of the bigger concerns in Newfoundland where the bulk of the tax-payers live (who also help fund the survival of many of these people in this rural community), here is a portion of the 2012 budget speech which speaks to education and why the priorities of the government are where they are: "To give students a firm grounding in the fundamentals in the years before post-secondary, we are also building on our investments in the K-12 education system. The recent population explosion in towns just outside St. John's has stretched the capacity of K-12 schools in the region. The influx of new families is a blessing that creates new infrastructure demands, and we are ready to respond. We recognize that site selection and design work needs to begin as soon as possible to address capacity issues, and we are ready to act. We are providing $6.9 million in new funding for major infrastructure projects, including planning for potential new schools in Portugal Cove-St. Philip's, Paradise, Conception Bay South and the Torbay – Flatrock – Pouch Cove – Bauline area, and funding for modular classrooms on an interim basis to address immediate needs. We are also allocating funds to investigate the feasibility of a new school in Gander while providing further support for ongoing planning related to the reorganization of schools in Corner Brook. This is in addition to the $79 million we are allocating for ongoing major capital improvements in schools throughout the province. We are also earmarking another $29 million for priority repairs and maintenance for schools, bringing the total we have invested in K-12 infrastructure throughout Newfoundland and Labrador since 2004 to $567 million." Oh but let me guess, this poor community is being shafted because they want to keep their school under-capacity of 140 kids, while a huge chunk of the population, who contributes tax dollars I might add again, have kids in over-flowing schools - yes pure logic indeed!!!

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      Angela
      - October 18, 2012 at 19:36:11

      We as a small town will fight for our schools at no cost to you,I feel if you can make unreal statements , you should aleast have the courage to sigh your name.or maybe with all the taxes you pay maybe you can't afford a name?

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      Angela
      - October 18, 2012 at 19:55:51

      This statement only proves that as a small poor town we have more heart and courage to fight for what we believe to be right,unlike you ,we are not scared to put our faces and names out there.sorry maybe it's because of all the taxes you pay,that you can't afford a name .I guess you don't have a car either because then you could drive out over the overpast and visit this poor town!angela Feehan tax payer too!

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